Apr 2, 2015|
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So I'm asking you plain and simple way if you opt out of a test for your kids. Police service. You're serving your characters are serving the teacher's union. Your allegiance and your focus should be on your own kid you're paying for area a quality education thanks to a nose in New York State. You should get it. And as I said the last caller Nolasco was exceptionally goes husband and wife bowl in education and value education. And so we had a great discussion but a lot of times the parents are not involved and and all most parents would know about these tests. Our assembly. What the teachers union wants in the well and that's why the last year what we have 60000. Students. Opted out and I think this should be a strictly. A grownup decision. You don't ask a kid if they wanna opt out of a test of course they're gonna say yeah I'd opt out those and I thank him on the road of how low and how they need to be challenged in order to our graduate in and make something of their life. They're trying to get behind a quarter million this time 250000. Opt out and I say. It that's just the union issue and it's not an educational issue for your kid. My kid I would never let up oh lead to hammer horror in his case Kirk opt out because I think it's important. It will be like growing up you know and you say you have some athletic ability in football and your father says he Johnny. With that athletic. Ability in football I think that we're somewhere Q could be an arena football. Now nothing wrong with a arena football is more is better than most of us could do but she asks would you shoot for the NFL. If it you know you go for the best they are capable of I remember my father. Sat down with me one day and he says the study hard in school and radio school. Because I think some day. After you been in radio for some a lot of time and received all kinds of accolades and a roomful trophies some day you could be the 75 most important talks rules that America. I should dad thank you for pushing me I'm still working on them. But I dare I appreciate that sometimes you need that not that the and I I kind of self motivated to me honestly it but I think you need it. And the parents have to motivate their kids to raise the bar. Raise the bar just a little beyond your reach maybe next time you get the key. Keep accumulating. That wealth of information you need to be successful. Instead of all it's our hi Aaron. Ed and Ed don't try and be your kids' best friend one of callers are set as one of the problems that's why where in mediocrity land is our but it must be their kids best friend. Mommy it's still behind the teacher doesn't like Maine and the east has said to guard. Well guess what. When little miss or junior did as the real world they'll be times they're working for people that don't like them. And that aren't fair and all this sort of thing and of education is about producing children into adults. Then they have to learn it has better learned in school and is in the workplace I'm so you. Graduate with a diploma you're ready to go already and take on the world as opposed to exit the easy way out and now I'm not equipped to do anything. I mean think about it like that. It it would be adults making decisions I think if you opt out for your kid. It's a mistake. Claimants of let's go to holly in Hamburg it's holly you're on WBN. I hope I'm Molly when he got force. OK now I am. You know. I have six children. My husband I also both value education very much went to the bench and Iman Ferris we all are educated. We value education for our children I chose to have my children not take the cap. I'm definitely the surge here. Because. Arms for one reason not because I care my child big task. Because at the captain and miniature they really should take. There it shouldn't even be a discussion and that there wasn't such action I have Alec gate type gold medal for gallantry. I'm students and basically. You know wet determine court first came out. Agree. Whatever it like three years ago. The county court with implemented at school districts. And I think of my particular you know that particular school district that my children got killed. A day. We're not given that the teachers were not in the school they work force and learn a curriculum that there was no planning they sought out. They weren't active in the tool to be able to actively teach it and on the tracks aren't at the end of the year. And basically take it you're changing the whole curriculum I have no problem with changing the curriculum I think that education the United States ate it. Need to beat Marquette a cup which is why the cap I think you know meet personally I'd like internal court expecting her my little one we're in third grade. They tent and taught that waste from the beginning. I don't think of us know what you told me already. Hear us as a physician your nurse and I want you to think and there you can speak for your husband too when you're going through the procedures to get to that level requires a lot of education. A lot of discipline. A lot of lost sleep think of how tough that was how hard that was. But because it was like that when you achieve that when you became a nurse and her husband became a physician it's because of that hard work that you've got there. Yes I totally agree with that he and I am not against artwork it's not about. Because they can't carry a fairly you know and that working toward the cap. I'm gonna apparently third grader well say. State. My greater well not in what are you why. I third graders will take it because I really believe that it's important to gauge how they are doing the airborne. All the it was in the states you know I think it's a great flaw I think is not a very well. You know going back when you're younger I was in oil you know basically. Administered the state cap and fourth grade and break so out went through elementary. School and before the isn't accurate high school. And that was you know that was great include gauge whether doing happily trail UP gauge where and how they get basically wanted to finish. Now it's every year every year every year in a out of monies that it back to produce an administered it. There's and the forty million dollars Iraq's state to appear and you know that I attacked. We're now which Jack that you can't look or act exam went. They're taking my back and educate southern not putting as much money into the classroom. They're kicking Matt on you they could put it into the classroom and get a teacher it will you know the tools they need to. You you bring it. You bring up a good question Noah. Cuomo course claims and we're having gone through the budget with a fine tooth comb. But this was very generous education and we always ask the question we always as being cynical taxpayers that we are. Is how much of that dollar. Goals actually into the tools and the kids and whatever as opposed to of the other things that are necessary. Contractual obligation. Through the unions I would love to see an audit to see how much is actually spent a met holly I'd love talking to you and I really appreciate talking to people who value education like yourself thank you. Will it take a break and we will return on news radio 930 WB. Regarding these tests that the on New York State now let's say right now wanna get this right. The New York State united teachers president Aaron McGee said she is now urging parents to opt out of the exams first of all. It should be a car rentals decision never care. Simply because kids don't recognize. And there are some course. The value of education as much as parents do so if given a choice I mean if I given a choice of opting out in my exams I boulevard opted out of Volvo. On and most kids would. But later on the tougher road the harder road as the more beneficial world and I think. The cases you raise the bar you get tougher work you get assignments are harder to do. And that's better for you and taking the easy road by a nod to them you know by not even taking the test. One way not to be judged as not take the test at all while you don't have to. Be judged in the real world once you get out of the ivory tower of academics the real world can be very very difficult for. Now regarding teachers. When they ask for parents to vote to opt out on asking for the sake cats. There asking for the sake of teachers because they don't want those tests and it's account for margin or value creation process. So you have to remember that and regarding the value of the test themselves the quality of the test that test DNA. When is the last time. You heard a person that works for any company. Our government are and jobs where they didn't know how to do it better than the people would do. They'd know better than the owners they know better than a managers in this case and no better than the regions they know better than this group or that group. On because that's that's the nature of the beast. Of for instance you know like radio in radio you never criticize. Him or. That's because how could it be. So you have to recognize that. What you guys you know and hold him and he got to know wonderful woman I'm saying the time default as not to opt out of your kids' tests. Make that road more difficult as lines as productively difficult. On make it more valuable because then when they get that diploma. Earned. They earned it they got it and they it stands for something the diploma itself is a piece of paper. Or whatever material you have made out of four you. But what's in between your shares that's what counts. It's what you absorb. That's what's count that's accounts it's your ability to thrive not just to to survive but is right. That's why some people. Our rob are born leaders some people blind. Would have skills that others don't have. And some are just better because they work harder. Now there's all different things as some people. As usual working at the top of your game. Not everybody is created equally for adoption to different roles in society. Understand that. We get dealt the hand sometimes that doesn't apply through to everything. But if you're working at the top you give us the most Ando. The most you can do this or if it's very satisfying to do that but to go out into the work place on prepared because your mother or your father. Or you know oh wanted to take the easier road. May feel good now but it's a feel good then I can tell you that. Let's lots of people but now it's time I think Michael in buffalo would be the next one. Michael WB again. Yeah. It. The real problem. Aid. My he nearly touch aren't so much and the app which he and. And we've got a late match. The application of what the tests who the learning process or what. Well why what you learned. And how much well that they are learning to apply heat in every Gator lights okay. That's all that's always a question your. You're sitting and that's never changes sitting in a class wondering will I ever need to use this Torres in my life go ahead. Call your ball that education I would that we all got court. Because it's not United States to come education so much about. The United States will fail. It's terrible tale you'd act we all are rare being. We revert to being more low coal. Okay and stop following that school all. You know state religion globally. Topping out at a BC students seat the Howell. And all the state religion thing are really unconstitutional illegal. But because they expect to work oh you know it out really well. Let me just bring one thing in there I think we're in a global. Oh who workplace so. They because of of computers and satellites and all this sort of thing. Wearing global competition for jobs and I think I understand that in some instances local like you just mentioned is beneficial. But the more local you keep it that tough for the job market is because the fewer jobs or are. Bob why why I would bet I ought and that. Those jobs that lets pull all our mobile app to pop out at all. But that's what. Bye bye to. Remember for computers you know I was there for the Internet a lot or all ball. And I can you light. We're not there. Article and all over it. Get you to an embankment and technology well that's. I'm less what I'm bringing up early at the basic concept at least in my business this business is you go where the work he has. There are people who don't wanna miss Thanksgiving dinner with mommy and daddy or whatever and so that job that might be perfect for them might be in LA. A but they don't wanna go there so they're limiting themselves by making their job search narrower. Of the more of the broader you are the more a flexible and adaptable you are the better tension out. 010. And let's just able we here in New York State get a lot of outside that up all or other agricultural part. Look I'll. You don't got all summer this education resource. Record low payroll and move to doing business being here I'll look we possible. Don't we have to do everything and I'm not poor or bite retreat corporation at all the entire food supply. Things like that. I don't I do like one of the things you hit upon maybe incorrectly may be directly. Is we are over regulated in New York State and I think that the first thing we think about. Is we need more money in order to do it better but I'm thinking we need less regulations not and everything certainly but in some instances. Where the regulations are really handcuffs from the past I don't think where is up to date as we could be to be deregulated. Jack while I act like tie it. It mylar in the works about transportation. Sector deregulation model break you be President Obama people are union it up for it. But in reality. They've got the back door regulation all or get the bureaucracy. Is just every patent information. Now the problem or having discussing anything it's in because where you have to discuss that in a context of New York State. New York State to me is a very difficult environment for a lot of different reasons. I've worked in eleven states so I have a a feel for it and I think that some of things you brought up are excellent. An innate perfect state which there aren't any but in a perfect state. Might might make a lot of sense but we got to work within what we have to play with thank you thank you Michael appreciate your call. I would take a break and then we will return. We want to know from you argue opting out for your kids testing if you are I think you should reconsider that. Plain and simply you have to be responsible for your child the union has to be responsible for the union. If you're doing it don't do it for the union and I don't think he should go for your kid raised the bar don't lore it it may seem an impossible thing. Yeah and maybe you won't even succeed the first time. But the bit the more you do it the better you get and the better you get the better chance you'll have for productive life will be back after this. And it changes that they made par and burst any good news. It's sort of like saying that they are going to be to teachers college students who was April and so what. Your educational dollars at work and that as a film room arm. It's only in local but anyway that's that and that's what we're talking about by the way the the breaking story from earlier is that the mayor of buffalo Byron brown was asked by the comic council's special lea. Reverend president was present to council. To join the the rebuff of the state. Of Indiana. Because of of that laws so no no city sponsored. A travel will be allowed on toll situation is resolved. In in that light I would go I would like to show you that I'm not afraid to take a stand leader I'm not afraid to. Do what I have to do Odom is difficult decisions. I've announced that I'm announcing now as a matter hurt reverse time. I will not be dating Charlize Theron. OK I'm just saying as as a just to be out there now. For full disclosure. I don't know Charlize and I've never met Charlize Theron I've seen her movies but if she ever calls me up. And says I have a mad need to David talks post. I'd say well I'm the 75 most important talk shall most would you like to date date she set off seventy theft you'll have to go and Angelina Jolie. Okay yeah yeah that happens Charlize the wrong territory yet well. A Silverman said you know we're not going to of Indiana but when asked he said while we don't trips planned to end here. It makes it easier it's like I'm gonna give up asparagus for lent I don't meet asparagus on you nit picker. Oh that's cool that that they're they're doing the windows. And they they went on the second floor and they had this cherry picker thing that Crist is like the coolest machine. Those customers to buy one I'd like to have my own cherry picker when our what were talking when they are moving around is that you know all ends cherry picker or they move data around from job to job I think it's you know plants because I've seen it here many times yeah it's cool because when your in the bucket. You can operate the machines they don't need anybody below you can go home Shea as a cold tires on however. And see what I think you make money on it you could go to clean leaps out of daughters in the fall. You could take ice out of daughters in the spring and it's great for peeping Toms I'm just saying you'd be right at the right level or your eyes are just above the windowsill. So there with a growl as perched outside their window. So I'm thing and that would be very good and we move a tool will girls' college please thank you very much is it's no smoking ago when his semen they're right back. I mean they're like a foot away he's right behind you know it probably about really not quite right it's your level rising humidity spy thrillers. But I'm thinking they would do that in me I'm 75. Let's go to Diana. Diana here on WBN. Let me ND LO de. I ask you questions. I object before I guess the question is three times a week OK what's the question. The authority I don't know if you've ever read these questions. The questions went on the test. Yet now. Okay because. I can't. I've been hopping my granddaughter with her whole war okay and she's in first grade. In. The questions are ridiculous and B and her ability. Two there too difficult for a first grader okay to act they don't have abstract thinking at this age aren't. So in his first grade second grade. Op Ed tech question should be. Not include. All right there's so that's your that's your opinion I assume that when they formulated these. They took edge not only educators about people. Who deal with children all the time child psychologist things like that too. Recognize what level the brain has come O is able to handle at that time. Not that the mistake they Andy. These these tests to these questions in this curriculum was developed and copyrighted. By how many court. But why do you think that they would do something that is beyond my comprehension. Of the people they're trying to educate. I can tell you right now it as they took what they wanted to keep the children now in the twelve years of education. And then they. Divided up backwards from there and to the beginning. Just second minute for the twelve years. But just remember one thing and I've brought try to bring us up on earlier caller. It's all relative another words you you may say all right this many. Oh with seven your world safer for these many seven year old and are going to be able comprehended this many will these these will exceed. But they're all put together and then it's all relative so that you get the total picture it's impossible. Trying to look at a microscopic. View of may be one locality or 11 class or anything like that. As to try and get the value of a test that if if given over eight. Large swore that the sample sizes large then they can get a relative idea of where your child stands in regard to other seven girls. Well I tell you that they used to educators to drop these past. One of the napkin wind in our literature there. And both of those educators reached used to sign off unfinished product. Well today I. There's always there's always intrigued. Around things where not totally comfortable where. Is always a conspiracy. Or somebody's trying to pulls something or somebody's making too much money I can say is just as yesterday's show was all about. If being the same playing field for everybody. I think it's the same thing here if it's too hard for for this group of seven Euro it might be too hard for all the groups of seven year old. Then they'll recognize that no 17 year old will be deemed a failure and that's how that's how we work we work abroad a canvas like that. Yeah if you try and if you try and you just like his site. Have you ever you happen but I would use this as a as an example. Say there's a beautiful woman OK and you're looking manner and you are one inch from her face. One inch your hero right this year. All right. You don't see the total beauty of that woman pulled back and exceed the whole place. And the structure of the face in the hair and beards and guys who knows whatever then you can get a better idea. Volvo out of the beauty of that person. But looking at it too closely microscopically. It it doesn't doesn't play that well because you can't tell you that way. That's why I say these tests are all relative if everybody's taking them. Then as say everybody's taking him in the average grade was only forty. Out of problem they're gonna say well these are not being applied the way we would like we've got to make this adjustment that adjustment. And that's how you learn that's part of a learning process. But because it's spread out over the entire cameras you get a better view so you see your seven year old. Compares those seven year old in Albany. We'll take a break and will return with the newsreader and I'm thirty W via. It out. Of these tests. Because of these school a situation where. They're used impartial evaluation of the teacher's performance but if you opted out. I think what you should do is send an invoice. A tool of the local teacher's union Weathers the buffalo teachers union and New York State united teachers send them an invoice because you're you're acting as their lobbyists that's what you are you're you're their lobbyists because. If you're doing yet. You're doing it for them. And they understand that they hold the child up which is your child it's the love of your life it's you'd give anything. I'll for your child. And they're saying that these tests are wrote it was shouldn't be used at a valuation for us. And we don't we don't like of being evaluated and all but especially using these tests as part of it. Now what in that equation says that we're really looking out for the best interest of your child. No they are looking out for the best interest of their union and themselves. Oz so basically. You've cast your lot with the giving away your Childs power of getting the best education the most bang for your buck. Because believe me we pay through a nose for it here the church state case should don't know. Spends more money per seat than any state in the union yet have more than California more than Massachusetts northern Connecticut. More than Oregon we spend the most. How much of a guess that the kids that's debatable. But the bottom line is the teachers want you to do this because it's strengthens their position. It's all I'm saying if given a choice between a difficult exam. That will help raise the bar. And you can learn from succeeding would be difficult. Exam you can also learn. With failure from an existing. Via an existing exempt either way you you get education from that exam. But I want the bar. Raised not lowered without education I'm tired of it they keep lowering everything may lower the passing grades and a bit lower than area. Of these and of the need for percentages of graduation I mean look at buffalo. Even urban urban district it's like the fourth worst graduation rate. In the country it's it's hovers around 50% it's been under has been a little over but not much. In look at the money they spend their billion a billion marks a year I mean it's it's not chump change. But be teachers don't wanna be evaluated business what's more important to you. Raising the bar. And having your kid have every opportunity when they get a diploma because they've earned it and they've stored that knowledge away and their Bryant. Or making it easier for the teachers to make their tenure whatever their drug trying to the the request visual war. To mail I'd vote for my kids' education. And at the end if you vote for making it easy because you think it's easier on your kid is less. Tension is less apprehension you're not doing your kid a favor. Because you're not going to be able walk around in life with him or her talking to their employer about making. He knew many Chinese. You know job a little easier. And you're not gonna talk to bear rug their commanding officer of their in the service. You know it'd they would like him a little easier DOD can you worked that out. No employers don't care employers want performance. The military wants performance. That's all that they recognize can you do the job can you do the job we need to have done. They don't care if you are nice to Johnny by not making him nervous because he doesn't have to take that test the moral. Or whether of the teachers are using less of the test and their valuation that's of no importance to your kid not. The date your kid graduates that's the last time they'll have any. Any kind of what's the word I'm looking for. Our association. With their teachers. That's and they better learn I mean they better leave with a diploma in the hand that's good. But with the thing between their ears that says that I absorb everything that was the get done. Because then at least you got a chance if you're doing it because you wanna make it easy on Johnny and you don't think the thing is fair to that teachers then you're just a union activists Yuri unit that's what you're doing here working on their behalf. You should be an activist for your own care. And we've had good examples we had a doctor and a nurse. She says she's a nurse and her husband the doctor and they know what good hard worker Perdue says obviously to become a doctor and are you gotta do that. And they got it done and they valued education I ever earlier woman calls that she and her husband both are in education they've value and that's great. But most people when you're talking about these tests of time our common core. Know about that tests only what the teachers union. Has spread. These tests are outrageous they're too tired or not. I indicative it doesn't show how good a teacher is blob blob problem about it ought that is to opening arguments for union negotiation. Nothing to do with the education of your kid. So if you want your kid to get the most you paid for. You pay big. Money port and the reason I know is just got my stuff together for my income tax I know I'm going to pay so I file at the last moment and I'm at things. I look that was mine. School tax. Yes you should look at yours sometimes. Good education. Is certainly worth it it's very expensive so don't waste it. Thinking don't just make it easy. Make it productive. Let's go way pack in not a lot of pat on WB again. Carl I I agree with giving an attack how my kids are well past elementary school labels successfully employed but. The cast. The green dot should get some of the few indirect report. We'll tell you how each student did. Each performance indicator for the you know what's working what's not looking really need to spend more time. Dennis relative. So I thought if it's given across the whole state house miked compared to the kids in New York City and Albany and Schenectady or whatever and so it is valuable. And if you succeed with a tough test you've accomplished something. If you failed a tough test it considered can motivate you even further to do better the next time. There's no downside to taking a tougher test a little beyond your reach at all. Thank you thank you very much you always want it beyond your reach. Can imagine. Coach at his team sports metaphors are great because we all fall sports it was Mosul so well I am. I thought the guys were tired so I didn't keep them at practice. As long as I normally would and some of maps and Christmas shopping duo. Can you imagine that a long last is the coach. Well the key is whether you're talking about somebody. It's our training too big Kabila kiddy football team other National Football League. Awe at their current stage of development you've got to push them as much as you can so that they understand that sometimes things are harder. But when you accomplish something with things that are harder you feel a sense of satisfaction. That you don't get by opting out. Okay your kid you know you opted out your kit. So we're gonna give it tests and they don't have the sincerity more we brought in a clown moneys say that I cinema mother. I'm bored and you say should I bring in a clown so we brought in a clown so the kids don't have the sentence there but what kind of satisfaction. Do you get. By opting out of your kids a test what kind of satisfaction does the kid. Don't shoot you know we have a program called No Child Left Behind which you may like or may not like. But the bottom line is if most of the kids in and has our class a taking the test and they are not because you opted them out they kinda feel left behind. And how come everybody's doing this and I'm not there. Doing this test and it is hard but I'm not you'd think they'd take satisfaction in that. Kids wanna be with their peers their peers are most of them are taking in the test. You don't want to isolate them by not taking the just because kids grow blanched at in the this charge is Smart enough. They're not a belts they have no attack at all okay. I got about wraps it up. I'm gonna go home Melissa takes a my showed today. And hopefully tomorrow morning I'll sign on with the knowledge that I am now these seven before most important talk show host in America. I was studied those tapes and work hard because by the end of the year I would like to beat. 70. Feel tomorrow morning at nine.