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Private Colleges Against "Free" Tuition Plan

Mar 12, 2017|

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I did wanna go delve into an aspect of governor Cuomo's budget could because those budget proposals especially are starting to come to a head this week. Earlier this week the commission on independent colleges and universities. Came out with a study saying that basically 224. Million dollars in tax revenue could be lost. If governor Cuomo's free tuition plan goes forward. The plan advocates basically subsidizing SUNY tuition to the point of being free of increasing scholarships. Four people are and families earning walk under 125000. Dollars. But the commission says. That that is something that really could hurt the state. Yes students might gain but let me look at some of the numbers here they put out a report this week that says Western New York. Quote lose 2749. Enroll students. There could be job losses of about thirteen hundred people and total tax revenue lost in Western New York. Of three point eight million dollars let's bring in Terry standish hue and she's with the independent commission of colleges and universities in New York. Terry thanks for joining us. Do you think so much for reaching out. Let's take each one of these numbers loss of enrollment overall in Western New York down about 2700. Of this plan goes through. Are you saying kids would leave. The private schools and jump over to Sunni. Deep let's start with the that a quick look at what higher education look like at the state if you work. We are really blessed here in New York State. To have more than 250 colleges and universities. And it's a really national. The un usual mix of private not for profit colleges and universities. And public colleges and universities whether that be the state universities. Like in your leadership area or that City University downstate. So all told there are one week two million students in New York State. And in Western New York in particular we've got a weapon private not for profit college it so that everybody from Alfred University Houghton College in saint Bonaventure. I'm on the front page here all the way up to Niagara university in the Niagara frontier. And all hold what are our analysis says of those schools collectively educate about 25000. Students. And we have seen we basically took the national studies they've done by Georgetown University. Based on the federal national discussion during the presidential campaign. Embarrass some Bernie Sanders issues during the presidential campaign right. The torch to university they get it studies looking at former senator Clinton's plan. And said that 11%. Of Stevens could leave private not for profit colleges. And make it quit. And that's where that's the basis of our analysis does. So this would mean this would be student and job losses at those schools. But it's not as if students wouldn't be getting education isn't. So what we're looking at is whether DP in the governor's proposal. To give quote unquote free and and we should be clear about. Yeah and there's no such thing as. For it. But in that proposal what we're concerned about these is that the New Yorkers would it be treated equitably we've got actual respect. Program in the state cult the twists and assistance program treats. All New Yorkers the theme that dollars in scholarship dollars in the states followed the team that this school. That is back for. Each student. End to this prop policy proposal really take a sharp turn away from treating all packed here at the same. Talk a little bit about what will use his lost tax revenue. West New York three point eight million dollars overall 224 million dollars in lost tax revenues in New York State. How to how do you. Well what what's behind those numbers. So deeply you look at what statements do you achieves private not for profit colleges. Generally speaking in Western New York for those eleven member schools but I mentioned. Each cute didn't support one job either a direct job on campus or ahead. What economists call that indirect or induced job the people whose livelihoods depend upon the college he'd been enrolled. So if in fact Stevens were to leave these private not for profit colleges which of course are private employers. And then those school. And I should say that many of our schools particularly watching you work part are small intimate places. And they would need to rethink their operations that would lead to the job losses. And even though private colleges and universities not for profit ones. Our tax exempt our employees are not on our employees are paying state and local access so if those. Staff members. Faculty staff administrators on our campuses were to lose their job because of the golden declines then of course. That's where that lost tax revenue come from when those positions aren't available in the locker. Doesn't the state have the right to subsidize. What it already does. Can we justify what the governor is proposing. By just saying he's giving more money to Sunni. As the they already run Sunni it's there operation they can do this rebut against settlement. So let me be clear that I think that statement that unit didn't have a choice. Let them really terrific. Options and I think this New York. Benefit from having a really strong mixed state of both public colleges and universities and private colleges and universities. Not all. Not every student basically to do well in the kind of environments that the state university makes available some students are going to bought. Either a single gender education or 88 and informed education or eight historically. Different values it better. Come forward in different educational environments. Look I absolutely think that taxpayers actually. When. We were to look at putting that 163 million dollars that the governor is talking about. If we were to put that into the tuition assistance program. And the dollars would all of a statement. In the student would be able to hit the educational environment that at bat and certainly there are capped a top recipients with them that the program recipients. For whom sitting at the top option and that's terrific. Didn't really need to be able to see the educational environment that bat for them and in fact taxpayers' gains support students at the state university. And Bundy aid it's called right. Are you talking about Bundy aid that goes to the private schools as well. I I can absolutely can I was talking about taxpayer support for that he would. I attacked her support for city with about 8800 dollar. That buddy you mentioned. And that goes cheap it is very modest amounts to private not for profit colleges but only after they confer the degree. And I think that really interesting point that he part of what the governor is looking out its completion. On because of course. For students who complete they're going to how far better economic outcomes for themselves and their families over their lifetime. And in fact. New York private not for profit colleges we have rule about 40% of all students. In terms of total enrollment. Across the state appeals court 51% of bachelor's degrees in a three quarters of the graduate degrees but doctors. Doctoral and first professional. So taxpayers are really getting significant. Return on their very modest investment. All right ten seconds left here. Give me a prediction how does that shake out in the state budget what do you not necessarily want to happen what do you think will happen. History has shown gave that this state legislature are. Really strong champions horse didn't and I think in the end. That legislators will remember that it is about New Yorkers is about Steve and they're making sure that they have the best educational choices. And that they investing in cap is late this I think speeds away for everyone to read how do we hear that the college affordability can be front and center but that has beaten. Terry thanks for your time. Terry standish Q and as with the commission on independent colleges and universities in New York State stay with us more comets hardline on news radio 930 WB and about the.