This is Roswell. Rookie by Roswell Park Cancer Institute. Your team opinion or your total options. You're -- him when welcome back to Roswell this and continuing conversation about all aspects of cancer care diagnosis. Treatment and today we'll talk about research. From a comprehensive source and that's Roswell Park Cancer Institute that's where we are today. In Buffalo, New York I'm Tim Wenger good morning and today women in research mentoring the next generation will. Hear from us some folks involved in the research. As we speak. And the challenges these women are facing and why they're doing what they're doing and the important work. That they are doing and who better to talk to today than that doctor Elizabeth for pesky. Doctor -- welcome to the -- on the studio appreciate your time. Thank you very much as -- was a nice opportunity for me yeah Enders there's a lot to talk about here so we're gonna have to we're we're -- to do our best and and get running here in and try to fit it all in your professor and immunology. And co leader in the stress and bio physical therapy program here. At Roswell park that's right you're gonna explain all that to me -- I. -- can trust -- folks with you today that I'm I'm pretty excited to talk to we're gonna split things up a little bit we've got. Two of the pre doctoral trainees in the department of immunology with us now and will be joined a little bit later by. Two additional. Paula for these folks. Females who are or are into the program and I'm assuming has some pretty exciting and bright futures and Daniel junior one of those. One of the pre doctoral trainees. And you've come to us from from far away right. Actually I'm gonna like and I and I and I moved the US for college in 2008. By your side today we have a -- mobile another pre doctoral training in the department of immunology. And Adobe don't come from so far away. No actually I -- I come. From a couple of -- -- and we'll we'll get tell your story and how you came to Roswell park he just didn't go so far. And doing the same thing. Doctor pesky you know here today talking about mentoring this next generation and women in research. Why is that such an important thing for a. Two to focus on here today because there is an increasing number of young women who are entering the biomedical research field. I think that fair contributing. At all levels and academic research and it's something that's very important to us. In our department used to recruit and help train the next generation of a young women and and and research and so. We don't work very hard to. To recruit the best talent right here at buffalo. And that are cancer center we have a large graduate training program that we're very proud of and we. Know that this is very important for cancer research to move forward it in read that word research is so important you know we we talk a lot in the studio clinically about you know how we diagnose and treat various forms of cancer. None of that would be possible without the kind of work that these four. And obviously yourself have been doing for it for years that's correct when I was young -- When people thought about biomedical research I think most people tend to focus on. What their position might tell them. In terms of the new drug or new therapy. But what. Is behind all of our generations of individuals who work in laboratories. To make new discoveries to create those new therapies. That eventually can make their way else to patient care and in particularly cancer. It's so important that we test and that we think can cast new new ideas all the time. How did you get to see where you are today in doing what you what you do where was your interest. I think I was always interested in research and maybe than usual that way IE from the time I was quite young I. Thought about research I always thought it would be wonderful to make new discoveries. I was fortunate to go to high school where my first biology teacher was extremely. Enthusiastic about. Biology she had us doing all kinds of experiments as part of the science club this is back in an increase her Pennsylvania I also attended college at Seton hill. College and again had wonderful. Managers. In biology and during my junior year at Seton hill like pound. An advertisement for the Roswell park summer research program on the bulletin board. I took off one of the tags and I'm elder sister actually help me with my application and I still remember how happy I was. To get accepted to this summer research program. As a college student and so I came to buffalo for the first time -- And enjoyed that. Research experience so much. I decided to. Go on to get a master's degree. Because I wasn't -- 100% sure Powell to go forward at that point in getting a masters right here Roswell park helped me to identified. Best track forward. And during that masters program I decided I definitely wanted to go on for Ph.D. So I moved then to the university of buffalo. I completed my Ph.D. and and as is pretty typical. I went off to do -- post doctoral fellowship in Pasadena California the California institute. Of technology. -- came back to buffalo because I had met someone. It is also taller than Iowa. A scientist here Russell park on subjects and so he hadn't gotten a position here Roswell park and while I was supposed to talk I thought we would both. Perhaps be looking forward assistant professor ships together after he got a more permanent position here Roswell park I came back to buffalo. And began my career here and have been very happy and hence we raised our family here. And because of the role of the Russell park summer program. And the managers that I had in my career it's always been incredibly important for me personally -- to train students. Two seek out enthusiastic students to encourage them. To get -- graduate degrees in time research related careers. And it's been a great part of my research careers to have lots of students both high school and college. And and graduate students who go on for their master's and Ph.D. him before. Those are great place to be Roswell a magnet you know for a for a lot of people. People like you capacity is a beautiful -- it was it was very exciting there's evidence it's great to have. You know something like Roswell park it really does draw people back and you know -- some along the way of course is an added benefit. You know one more thing I want to ask you know NASCAR for pre doctoral. Folks here today this same question to easily get ready either hearing this. About research and that is you know in my job and many jobs and I assumed sometimes even on the clinical side of cancer treatment. There's immediate gratification. We treat we see results we do things I do my job I -- a result. In researching it's not a media -- I suppose or some cases when can be -- it is not in immediate gratification type of thing. Is that one of the things that draws you or is that something you need to just over. Columns. And such a good question. -- and -- if. Guess I. Really one of the more difficult aspects. This career is that you do wait and while. To test your hypothesis. Sometimes you have an utter failure. Experiment doesn't work in your very disappointed. But those times in which your experiment works in an idea that you thought of yourself that it hadn't really been tested before. When that happens the joy that I feel overcomes. All those times in between where I feel very disappointed by. A result or these long length of time it takes to get our new ideas really put together and tested. And the publication process takes a long time. And on top of that we are always seeking. To get research funding for these ideas and you have to had -- done. To proved to. And another group of people that your ideas are worth funding so all of these things sometimes can be very frustrating and disappointing. What I tell your students who come into this field is. It is so worth it when you know you've made in new discovery in your ideas and really created something new. And that experience is worth everything to me. Right from buffalo to Pasadena back to buffalo we go from Ghana to buffalo on a great story -- -- with us. Here today. Did you know -- you look you come to us from from Ghana as you trained in is the beginning. Why why did you end up but I -- Russell park. Well in college guide did these areas when it. My professors whose challenge is -- -- -- designer instrument. An average because college -- have everything printed out for you ranges. Steps. She challenged us do that night that this is cool thinking I asked who work with -- when someone. I worked with her I mean with corals have you ever heard of him and he's. And signing on now it -- well I mean I guess they had seen winning you know is due in name -- -- an enemy you're asking where we're -- person. Well I mean -- anonymity and I neglected and Anthony's and that. And that's what got me and these -- so she encouraged me to. For us to do research outside my college Vassar college and I ages Japanese air field in -- interest in and I had. My uncle who Shepperd who is actually kind of brings humor when I was really young. Well hello -- -- to understand why he died at such young -- -- the brain -- and I told seasons and hasn't says she sent me a list of summer programs and I just fine I just Google's answer -- series and arousal popped -- and buffalo never been to use near Canada. Yeah all of the so we went there I applied to it and I remember when you don't -- at my -- -- actually fell down because I was excited I was jumping. And I was very nervous coming to buffalo never been this far north because my parents live in New Hampshire which is considered kind of north too that this is really far and are. -- but the summer program is really awesome I had tons of fun on my mantra went to shop is an amazing doctors he never and -- always encouraging he was always motivating and on his -- -- Mohammed was fantastic. And I member meeting doctors pass ski at the poster presentation. And they're seeing is really holly eighty. Seeing -- my rose's yes easily did you use -- And it just went on talking stockings asked me what my what my plans and I was hoping to take a year off after college. -- innocent thing that surprised graduate program that I didn't and here hands. Here you are in the technology program here Russell park it's a great story. Especially the movie time. That list doctor pesky little bit later about this but it's my understanding that done. It's a challenge to get women into this this aspect of cancer research and you know are you finding it challenging Terry Adams obviously your finding it rewarding. And well as you are you said before that there is no instant gratification however. Whenever something works that spike of serotonin -- don't mean or wherever feel good hormone. If it feels so good you totally forget that you ever struggled to get where you we are and it's even better when you understand the concept behind whatever results you've gotten and for me that's what drives me not. Fine not the result it understanding it and his wife. Is it. Is my high I can. When tiger he can tell your medical research. -- -- We also have today Adobe -- Moby pre doctoral training here at Roswell park Adobe and you've come to us from buffalo yeah and so if you didn't have to go quite so far. I'll be but it's impressive that people -- right and you really are in a jewel of the program here how did you come to be where you are today at Roswell. I'm actually it was a journey -- It was a mystery at that play. I I am from buffalo I am graduate who got hurt. Ends while. Actually before high -- I -- summer program here in buffalo university a couple of and it was centered around math and science. And I loved the experience. And I was wondering you know what Iowa is that. You know why -- basically there is in the pro -- -- and I can now. Young age you know but I can understand it when I mean that it's been my present my Summers in a productive place out. In -- thing to do that itself but in high school. I was very interested in science when it came excellent my senior year. I was able to pick certain elective because an extra free time schedule. -- and Hartsock an EP ballot as an absolutely loved it. And it's self from there. I -- -- what it was that I was gonna do once -- went under. I got accepted to Temple University. The end -- isn't public health actually a very interest in the arm. Community outreach and on reaching out and making sure that people weren't aware of health and wellness things like that. Cells. I graduated with a public -- of public count. And came back to actually and I was going to plan a medical schools -- took this summer classes at UB. And then from there actually got a job here. I was working in epidemiology its production control of breast cancer society. And we were recruiting patients for the study and absolutely love that patient contact in -- that bad it took me back to when I was in an. But two years later actually apply for the -- this program. The end it came time to pick a Latin that I was gonna do not -- master's. Project. It's and I interviewed when it actually only eighteen people and my second interview with with a capacity. And after interview parity near that it streets. Where -- -- she she makes an impact -- meeting. It ends. Her daughter and I actually -- -- the same my school so and you know you. Kind of party had a great understanding. The experiences that and because her daughter and I shared some experiences and opportunities that it there tonight. So from there. In -- twenty years from this program and during that time she was mentioning me. See. I guess it doesn't seem to me because she you know I inquired you know. What you need to do you just. You know I'm not sure you know maybe -- you know. -- she's a team well. You -- it's that steep as it did and apply it and she's. Health Seattle and was able to get it's that these programs. In. That's a great story -- you know for for both of you will have to be brief because we do wanna make way for -- to other -- your colleagues other pre doctoral trainees that we're gonna bring in here but. It what do you hope to accomplish and that's probably -- really hard question to ask if you are going through. This program right now -- -- long and bright careers and futures ahead you. What do you really look forward to most accomplishing in in your career. I'm wolf from me. I Jeffrey ticketed day at a time and never knew even five years ago that I would be where I am right now. And -- Ph.D. programming in immunology specially the public health background. So definitely completing the program is seeing more opportunities it leads me to. I'll one of the things that I enjoy the most within the program at a conference is that we go to -- -- seen my peers present their work. And it definitely helps me to grow as a scientists. Shelves. Definitely just. -- everything I can't from the program. And -- thank you so much for being here appreciate it. Harry and that Danielle anything dad's of that as far as where you where you look at your career winding down a long road here. Share -- we Sunni Arabs gone very interested in and how our lifestyles impact the development of casting people. And I see that a lot in -- also my neither country. And the more I learn the more I want to understand this concept and hopefully maybe take -- -- to -- and help. Think he's a cancer incidence of there. Daniel thanks for being here appreciate -- that's Daniels tomb and Adobe -- both pre doctoral trainees. Here at Roswell park and doctor -- entry pretty proud of both of them I am and there each moving on to their careers and Adobe's now working with my. But the other colleagues and our department and Daniel's doing your rotation in Thailand and she has to she's here. Her her Ph.D. research coming up real -- so it's exciting times for both of them. And now we welcome to more of the pre doctoral trainees into the Roswell -- studios along with. -- repair -- doctor pesky. And right now we've got Katie Coca listen another pre doctoral training Katie thanks for being here pizza in me. Our and then by your side today we also have to wait do wait do you been in the United States for a few years now in Europe Roswell park and you come to us from China. Yes and -- mean. -- it will hear your story in just a moment thanks so much. And doctor pesky and you. How many are there and he made the comment. We have thirty students in our program. Total. At least half of those are women hands. They are at all stages of training Swedish students and their first year as wage is and Katie is actually in her fifty year. And says she's she'll be completing her Ph.D. in the next. Here are shorter and so on during that time there's a lot of course work a lot of mentoring. A lot of research especially and training for how to be a scientist. And of course there's a lot of more career options today than there was when I was student and that's. Very nice. Besides post doctor opportunities in research centers. In universities now the whole Biotech industry is a very exciting option as well as several other. Career path and our students have taken. Katie this is hard work this is really hit it I mean really researches hard in general but I mean in the aspect that you're getting involved in immunology and mean it's pretty complicated stuff. Why did you make this choice why are you here today as far as what you're doing your -- I actually am was interested in science Anderson's I was little my mom has a biology teacher and she really. -- says three younger siblings Osama city ingests -- and science we hadn't microscope losses and non. I can remember how young Muslim. She is bringing emblem from -- and bags of bones and she really pushed us India. Be in science and it's follow creators in the medical. Clinical and science confessions. Day. Matt doctor askew and I was very young I slammed both of their children. Fetters. Mind -- childhood his hand through high school on college snow. And I got into high school play. Found that I was actually interested in science on my own not just because my mother I was timing -- And I to me contacting her I was able to commend her -- summer romance in college. And -- and really enjoyed it and what really got me back and a plan to school in -- then you know my bachelors and masters. At Duquesne university and it's very. And I was actually studying friends and and when I was getting towards the end of that my schooling manmade -- averaging in these kind of looked like California and Texas -- and I am I really buffalo annihilate wins and see Nolan but I wanted to from the have to go to. Am 53 contacted her again and she kind of let me know about graduate program and I. And put in an application and a nuisance. -- have such great stories we're gonna get another one here in just a moment you pick ala -- stuff so I mean. I mentioned research that they museums swimming one of the -- -- it definitely takes. And forensic -- I mean if you really don't mess around at all. In -- way do. Do what brings. Someone as talented as you all the way from China to Roswell park tell us about your journey. On cell I think I am Monday to -- different from others. 'cause before I came here I am writing goes my MD -- intent and -- -- trained eyes on aviation and it didn't you know maybe the Cosby doing China. So I emailed tasting different departments at a time and then cell -- I need patience at least. Painful -- the DC is. And it's fun sometimes Leone easily can -- eventually to a -- -- to save their lives. Especially for the cancer patient so I think compared to -- clinical work. Myself I like science isn't -- -- and I think and suitable to do it's can the work. So after I came to United States with my husband in 2010. I think I can -- second -- to make. On tools and the way to make my more forceful -- I think so I -- plenty. Of famers. -- park -- excuses and I got into the program. Of immunology. -- and -- -- to pass the last year. Actually and -- time I Helena to -- united about myself because I analyst pregnant at a time and all of their -- you know. And on the after that -- upset top -- don't -- Penske and she. Talk about her -- Her great he is. I -- maybe I can also do well in Israel on both for -- and my family so. I mean creative and -- -- I get it through this thing I don't know how long. And it happens and in that he can explain it to us maybe toward the end but. I mean it's really intriguing and interesting to me and I think the folks listening. That you come from the clinical side you know recognize that you know obviously that's really important in in we need to -- clinicians out there. But as I mentioned at the beginning without that tremendous. You know spotlight on research and in advancement. You know clinical go nowhere. I think on one -- coming who work in China. I also need somebody such -- same time. And have fun. Before -- or even you know he could be more about the easiest you can make on change on the field -- patients. The great potential so I think under his direction maybe some money pardon. At least I think -- and is so that's why I chose to do is. You know Katie. Doctor -- mentioned that you know you you folks have some opportunities that she may not have at the time she. Got through there and she's you know leading the charge here Roswell park in the research world. But do you are you must feel pretty fortunate that you've been able to who you know deep into something that you're so passionate about. Yes and -- and create -- continues. We've been given especially to an apartment and that's -- have you -- my man time. C allows us to channel and several meetings a year we get to go to conferences all over the country. Actually pulled cling to Aruba in two weeks it's a ho hum and -- to present my alert to a huge. A huge group of scientists from all over the world so I think that those are apparently opportunities seller given now that you might and it hadn't. -- -- -- -- -- I can tell you all the business meetings I go to some of them are in Aruba. I think you guys have it figured out. This is the society for thermal medicine because it's their primary interest in the role -- temperature. I think it's probably important that they choose warmer places. But we've never had a conference so far away and so it'll be interesting to see how it goes you know -- you mentioned that these folks have some opportunities that may not have been there when you've got into this this profession in this field. My guess would be better way to characterize it but it's still challenges and that to get women involved in women you know to move into this this cancer research. -- Tim I think at this point it's a challenge. For both men and women in recruiting because there is very clear. Changes. In the way researches being funded in the country and I think that. The people are a little bit worried about being able to sustain research careers hand. With it's very difficult to get grants and it's only getting more difficult. So we've actually been very successful at recruiting women endured hard as they say it's at least 50% of our graduate students. But I think in general as a faculty. We're really worried about recruiting all students right now because people are really starting to feel more concerned about. That continuation of funding for research that are closing moments here Katie you know I I mentioned with with the other trainees that we're in here earlier. You know that there's not that immediate gratification sometimes with resurgent takes time but it's also important to note that with the technology that you have your hands now that you're learning. And crafting the future technology that's things do happen a little quicker now than they did say ten years ago twenty years ago decades ago. You know you must be excited about what what you know you could find out what you could discover in in in -- research group. CNET stage you. That technology uses -- advancing in. Maximum benefit of being in a program like -- one -- and being in an instantly that's all we have yet -- need to use a lot of shared resources and other technologies that have album this year. Katie thanks so much for being here appreciate it. Thank you Katie Coppola's one of the pre doctoral trainees here Roswell park in we do -- so much for being here appreciate it. Thinking you to. Very interesting story and doctor pesky again I know you're proud of this program in and you should be a great future had thank you very much Eric. That's doctor Elizabeth repair -- Here Roswell park and as she is the co leader in the cell stress and bio physical therapies program. 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